Thread:Dragonboy6491/@comment-25389622-20140907210809/@comment-25389622-20141121011155

You're right; destroying the cigarettes won't really make much of a difference. Obviously there are other ways. That's interesting that he won't even hear of death being discussed, plus that superstition with rice and chopsticks. Convincing someone to quit is always difficult. You should recommend e-cigarettes or something; depends how bad it is. It comes down to personal circumstances. I don’t know what to say that would definitely work. E-cigarettes are just a way to get off tobacco, seeing as you are not inhaling hot smoke, poisons and heavy metals.

 I think it is the gothic connotation that puts me off the term. It's not just me - I think most people see that link, or it is at least what initially pops to mind. Hence my reason for the dislike of the term to describe Elsa. Although you just have to look at her to see that it's not meant like that, but I still think that the connotation is underlying. It may just be me, but I fundamentally see emo as "stroppy teenager" (a bit of a simplistic way of looking at it), which Elsa certainly isn't. Insults are just stupid really. Even when they are true, what they are insulting about you is mainly just a superficial quality that doesn’t really make you any less than what you are. Like "four-eyes". Haven't heard that one in a while but it's still just dumb. Wow, I wear glasses, how does that constitute two extra eyes though? And what does you saying that do for anyone?

 I really don't understand the whole thing that something is bad because it is popular. Why don't people look at why it is popular, or what is in there that makes it popular? I love how The Lion King relates so closely to   Frozen   in that sense. I wouldn't say that neither were blown out of proportion. They are just such good films, and of course if you compare them to the average film, they’ll be so good that it may seem unfair, but so what? The other films should be better :D Let the storm rage on indeed :-) Bring on the musical :-)

 Sorry if I made it sound as though I thought that you were saying that what Hans was doing was justified - it's not. Sympathy is different to condoning or agreeing with someone or something's actions. Criminals are often very intelligent people though, who have just had their skills applied in the wrong way due to certain conditions, whether that be a broken home or a social condition that does not allow them to advance on the right course. Have you seen Catch Me If You Can? A Great film, and a great example of such a skill being applied in the wrong way, although he does go on to use his powers for good :-)

 I went a bit philosophical there; I was just trying to do it for effect :D I guess that you're on the right lines. An effort does have to be made to oppose darkness. I can't really explain it, but I do see darkness as descending more than rising. Makes more sense to me like that, but I guess that it'll vary on an individual basis. Kind of like the whole glass half empty/glass half full thing in a way. Yin-Yang - maybe so. I do think that with there could be light without darkness, but with in the darkness is temptation, something we humans are not too good at avoiding...

 That was certainly a brilliant way of looking at it. Frozen has so many views to offer like that :-) I think that by "everywhere" Anna does just mean the kingdom and surroundings of it, although I wouldn't be too sure where the 'surroundings' finish. I think that it has something to do with when the story takes place, and how people thought more along the lines of everywhere being what they knew. I mean, what is "everywhere"? It depends on the context and how the concept is perceived, but I think that that idea works for their time. I think that it is safe to stay that the effects of Elsa's powers weren't international. With regards to the growth of her powers, I'm not sure when they will stop growing... When she reaches maturity? Even when she did, there would be no denying her powers limits. "To test the limits and break through". Love it :-)

 My grasp on time is limited; I tend just to work on a weekly basis, max. Although I do like to have a general idea of which direction I'm heading in long-term, and work towards that. I do try to keep up with events though. You just have to filter out what is worth keeping up with.

<span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#BFBFBF;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> Rapunzel looks completely different. Elsa and Anna would be changed way too much if that were to happen to them. I wouldn't say beyond recognisable, but close to it... I won't get hung up on it until I see it though. I think that   Frozen   in the form of an originally animated film is not worth considering. You look at the princesses on that calendar, and that is what you will get. 'Traditional' drawing would simply be too much effort, although a different effort to CGI. The newer styles almost look too cheap(ish), and have a sort of 'shiny' look about them. These days, it's go hard or go home with the animation, and Disney certainly went hard when it came to   Frozen   :-) The film wouldn't have got as much praise as it did without what was done with the animation. It's just stunning. The whole thing about what you said with them integrating reality and fantasy also comes into the animation. In   The Art of Frozen   it talks about how they made it look real, but then they pulled it back so that it also had that romantic fantasy look to it. That was certainly a brilliant thing to do :-) It just completed stuff like the Elsa's ice palace. The scene of its creation just never gets old, or when you see it later on for that matter :-)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(191,191,191);border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;">45% hey? That's a fair bit I guess, but given the rest of the time and the gaps in my OUAT knowledge it may be hard to keep up... We'll see. I love what you said about face palming :D It appears to me like it was homage over canon conservation; regardless of homage, they should have just left Elsa's mother with the same name... Eh, I'll give it a watch and work out the other plot holes for myself :-)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(191,191,191);border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;">It's OK, you don't have to apologise <span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(191,191,191);border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;"> ;-) I wouldn't say that you hit a nerve; I was more taken aback by your open mindedness more than anything. I know I was kind of blunt, but I didn't want to beat around the bush trying to pad what I was saying. The former may cause some discomfort, but it's certainly more direct. Character studies in that form are OK, although why not just keep them in their natural setting? I guess for the reason that you said, although doesn't it then become kind of all hypothetical and subjective? It seems that there is already a lot to take from where we see them originally. Although I admit that I enjoy hypotheticals, like, 'what if Elsa had to deal with <span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#BFBFBF;mso-fareast-language: EN-GB">  this   as queen?', or something... You're not a fan, but I'm interested in what the most "intimate" piece you've ever seen was... That sounds like dodgy ground about exploring the 'shattered bond'... They are very interesting characters, and what makes them more interesting is how they go hand in hand, in a sisterly way... I feel you about that whole angst thing; I think that is the best answer. I know what angst means, but think if anything it would help me out slightly to look more into that. I get it all the time, only not about imagining Elsa and Anna as more than just sisters, or one word... With me it's more about a conflict with something in the story that I have to resolve, and I normally do, otherwise I can't function until I reach some kind of explanation. I wouldn't have any qualms talking to either; I'm interested in understanding why. I agree that I would have less time for a person who draws; at least with story there can be more to it, doing it in a more 'tasteful' manner... I agree about incest adding another dimension, although really I see it as a bit of a separate issue. When you say about adding a dimension, do you mean to this kind of material? If we do continue to discuss, I don't expect to change your opinion - that's futile in any argument or discussion. But I will by no means reduce the argument to something less by saying stuff that has nothing to do with it, as I've said about others doing in the past. Have you ever had to deal with those kind of people? I will admit that this argument and whole topic is a very convoluted one, and the sort that would benefit more from a face-to-face discussion rather than one in this kind of medium. It's with this more than anything that something written down can be interpreted in so many ways, and without something to reinforce what, you're saying, like a certain tone of voice, things can lead to misunderstanding. I try my best to convey what I'm trying to say though. I haven't really got my head around this kind of thing yet - about "rule 34", all there abouts. All I know is that I think about it too much and maybe I am seeing this as a bigger issue than what it really is. I think that it's just the principle and strange morals more than anything. I admit that Frozen has made me realise "rule 34" to be more of a thing, and to be completely honest, it disturbs me. I love the film and the characters, and just the thought of this kind of thing involving them is lightly haunting; God forbid that I ever see any of it... I'm not too sure where lines should be drawn either... Ahhh, who knows? You can't do anything about it - stopping people from viewing and doing it, an as long as it does not affect you then why get caught up in it? I'm not sure if that's a reason not to worry or to worry.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(191,191,191);border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;">Do you not even have a tree? I know it's not all about that. If anything it is about family and the general atmosphere that it creates; all very cheerful. I guess if anything it does make people generally happier :-) Plus with a close tie to Frozen then why not celebrate? :-) <span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#222222;mso-fareast-language: EN-GB">