Thread:Varg2000/@comment-24199126-20150130132615/@comment-25389622-20150202170928

1) So you see why it's a problem then.



 

2) True, knowing the names takes or adds nothing to the overall experience, but it's still nice to see the lengths that the crew went to make the film authentic.



 

3) I know that ABC is owned by Disney, but that doesn't mean that programmes they show are. They may wish to grant independent companies a chance to have airtime. It was shown on ABC but that does not necessarily mean that Disney own OUAT. Expansion to the franchise, not the original canon that has the film as its basis. We are only detailing everything related to original canon and timeline. 



<p style="margin:0cm0cm0.0001pt;line-height:16.5pt;"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;">OUAT does builds on the original, but separately from the canon; it's a branch that will not interfere with anything further released that runs linear to the film. I understand that the books I have read do not specify a date as such, the thing is that the books are written so that you know that they took place after film, and they are small adventures, taking place before a sequel, unless the sequel starts the second after Frozen and then drastically alters the environment that the books operate on. <span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">

<p style="margin:0cm0cm0.0001pt;line-height:16.5pt;"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;">I distinguished between the franchise and original lore, so yeah, the unofficial games aren't a good comparison, but what I meant by official was linear to the events of the film, which OUAT is not. OUAT was officially released by a branch of Disney, so I get what you are saying there. Also remember that airtime on their channel does not mean that Disney own the show. <span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">

<p style="margin:0cm0cm0.0001pt;line-height:16.5pt;"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;">4) You are working on the pretence that the books are not linear to the film's timeline, which I disagree with. So what about books for every other universe (like Halo) which build on it. That all occurs in the same universe, and expands it, exactly like what the books do for Frozen or any other universe. This excludes book-to-film media, which are adaptations, the events in them stay true to the original nonetheless and so have a place here. Yeah, I think we're all trying to make a point. <span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">

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<p style="margin:0cm0cm0.0001pt;line-height:16.5pt;"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;">5) OUAT is official and part of the franchise, but has nothing to do with the linear timeline of the film. The books occur linear to the events of the film, and they are worded in a way that allows the events to take place after the film but not before another sequel. Same goes for the comics, but as I said, I will not yet officially say that they "did" happen unless I can verify the provenance of the magazine that they originate from. <span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">

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<p style="margin:0cm0cm0.0001pt;line-height:16.5pt;"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;">6) And as I have made clear, the books are canon. I guarantee that if no short was coming out you would be saying, "Just the film and its sequels are canon". OK, books, OUAT, comics, video games, are all part of the franchise. However, regarding the linear timeline that the film runs along, only books and a slight chance that the comics have a place on it. In fact, I'm not even saying that all of the books do, only ones that I have encountered that stay true to the film and do nothing to alter the environment that the original film has. Like in one, Elsa and Anna think that there is a ghost haunting the castle, but it's Olaf and a pig that Anna calls Spypig. What the book does do is tell us a little more about how Elsa and Anna feel about what has happened in the past and how they fell towards their parents, which kind of got me. OUAT does expand upon the original film, but in a way that is such that it's on its own timeline, branched from the original, and altering the course of events. It also does not stay true to Frozen canon or lore, changing things like Idun's name (I don't care whether you know it or not, that is her name. It's a detail that wasn’t out of reach from the producers of OUAT. "Do we know the queen's name? No. Well let's make sure that there isn't one, and if not then we'll add in our own." They even used a name that is one of the servants, not original at all) and adding in stuff about her having evil sisters that live inside magic urns. That's not development of the universe, that's just plugging holes to further your own plot. And like I say, I plan not to watch it yet because it derives from Frozen and does not concern itself with the original timeline, my field of interest. From what Dragonboy has told me it sounds like it's no more useful to the Wiki than a hole in the head. <span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">

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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:16.5pt;vertical-align: baseline;orphans:auto;text-align:start;widows:auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:0px; word-spacing:0px"> <span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:#D5D4D4;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0cm; padding:0cm">" If the show's storyline isn't enough, the creators of OUAT even blatantly states it". I don't get it, if you're saying that the creators are saying that Frozen   is its basis, then I agree. I imagine them cloning the film and then using it and adding in things to the history that can be fitted in without changing the original details drastically, and then creating their own universe from there. Which, funnily enough, involves the characters just leaving their universe to go to another. <span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family: "Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#D5D4D4">