Thread:Dragonboy6491/@comment-25389622-20140907210809/@comment-25389622-20141106133949

I am just taking criticisms or misjudgements of the film less and less easily. I need to ignore that kind of thing. I think that was the last time that I will watch the film for a while, although I may watch it spontaneously should I feel the need. As much as I love it, I think that I could still over-watch it, if you know what I mean. I get set in a certain mind-set after watching it, which when combined with other factors isn't always a good thing, like on Sunday with the impending thought of going back to school... What day is Frozen's birthday? Do we count the premiere or the wide release? If it's the premiere, it's the day after my birthday :-) I'll take on board what you said about 10-hour loops :-) 

I guess Elsa's looks do play a role in her being a favourite, but what can you do? A lot of the comments on her page are quite, well, not thought out. It's a shame that some people can't look deeper into such an amazing character. I have to say I love her, but then I love all the characters for different reasons. I just happen to be slightly biased towards Elsa. She is truly a great character, who is developed wonderfully. Although in that regard, all the characters are developed in some way. Maybe we could have a section for character development on each of their pages?

 There is no denying what that quote is saying. Although Elsa did kind of slip back slightly into being fearful, it wasn't a huge slip. She learned to love herself, but then that idea of fear was brought back to her when she hurt Anna again, but then she finally truly embraced herself when she found out she was loved. It's sad but interesting that they loved one another, but didn't realise the other one loved them back, though they did in the end :-)

 There always has to be a 'why'. If you assert something and don't back it up, then what you said should be disregarded. When I reminded someone once of this they turned round and said something like, "Oh sorry I have flaws". It's not really a flaw but more of a misjudgement to not back up your own argument. If you can't back up what you're saying, you surely can't believe in it. And if you can't who can? A person is defined by their beliefs and morals, so what are you if you can't back them up?

 They were good, I'll give them that. That's the problem with this kind of thing. Seriously, the drawing of Elsa (and Hans) looked so much like them, but it was a completely original angle, not taken from the film. That's very true about content. I don't want to constantly be troubled by it, but I still like a vague idea of what is out there. That Cinderella thing made me cringe. The story was made in a different time I guess. Disney takes old tales and adapts it for a modern audience. Do you know if the original Snow Queen was anything like that? I don't think it was. Frozen, like we said, is barely relatable to, being a story in its own right. it But like you said, if it effects no one in a negative way, then they can get on with it.

 That's a good way to look at it. I feel no empathy and have no real understanding of why they do it. Maybe I would if I spoke to one. Perhaps not a good idea... Perhaps they are exploring the film in their own way, and it carries some meaning for them too. I can't say the same for all these people, especially those who work with the premise of "rule 34". I will never understand that... Oh I judge them alright; they can get on with it - my opinions are invalid to them. I would expect that to be the case, although that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm not for the suppression of ideas, even if I don't agree with them. I don't know what that meaning is. I find meaning in the film itself, and use the film to expand that meaning to help me. It must help them to expand their own meaning in some way too. I'm talking about the original comic strip, not anything worse than that. Again, I find no way to sympathise with that sort of thing. Death is a curious thing... I don't know if you believe in an after-life, although from what you said I guess not. I don't believe in such a thing; my mind will die with the halting of chemical and bio-electrical processes, then leaving my body to be recycled into the Earth so that more life may propagate; the circle of life. It's quite a sobering thought; rather than have no meaning, this idea of limited time gives life all the more meaning.

 That's great coming from Joseph Stalin... Still true though. I'm not sure how I feel about trying to individualise people like that. They are remembered by those who need to remember them. To try and remember them all and grieve for everybody just means that you are grieving for them all the same amount, and you're kind of back to square one again. I think I was five when it happened; I gave it very little thought at the time. Although now I have come to realise its significance.

<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(217,217,217);border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;"> I realised at work how much Disney princesses (and Disney in general) features on food packaging. Cupcakes, Heinz spaghetti, oh and now Christmas calendars. They haven't got to Elsa or Anna yet, but I feel that it is only a matter of time... Yeah, I'll leave the download. Is the Making of Frozen shown partly on their YouTube channel? With Josh Gad and Jonathan Groff singing? That was too much... I've seen most the extras you speak of as well - all on Youtube. Plus I have no space for it on my phone. The one thing I did like was the reviews that were there. They lifted my mood. So very positive :-) I previewed the extras menu content and that made me happy, with the slides playing, with Epilogue over the top of it. Films need more behind-the-scenes stuff included. I still don't know why some stuff featured on the Blu-ray version and none on the DVD. The Story of Frozen was more like 40 minutes long anyway, when you account for adverts, and then there was all the 'coming up' and 'live on Twitter'... I enjoyed it but there could have been so much more.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(217,217,217);border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;"> That new article I read spoke about how companies are putting together a person just by using social media. They then use that information for companies to decide who is best to employ. I'm very restrictive on social media for such reasons. It keeps asking for where I live, which when you think about it is slightly worrying. We are rapidly reaching that level. You really should subscribe to New Scientist; I'm going to again. It'd be fun to discuss the contents. It's like trying to get blood out of a stone with my other friends...

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(217,217,217);border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;"> I'll look into the books further. A Sister More Like Me and A Tale of Two Sisters look good. Not sure about ones like with the ghosts or Marshmallow... Oh children get the gist, for sure. When you watch a film now that you watched when you were younger the feelings and subconscious emotions suddenly become quantified and easier to express. I still don't think that a little girl could listen to Let It Go and truly understand the meaning to every line, although l do think, like you say, they get the gist :-) They'll watch it when they're a bit older and suddenly appreciate it in ways that they didn't quite before. That's what I've found. I've mentioned Lord of the Rings before; it's quite beautiful how Tolkien used it to deal with his emotions and feelings. This line is truly brilliant: “How do you pick up the threads of an old life? How do you go on, when in your heart, you begin to understand, there is now going back?”

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(217,217,217);border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;"> So much good came out of Frozen. Elsa, Anna, and Rapunzel all have great voices. I get chills from the first two when they sing. It's a shame that Hans only had a small singing part, but after what he did he deserves nothing more. This is a little different to what we've said previously. That was about their complexions, which were maximised no doubt to achieve a wonderful look. What I am saying here relates to their 'figures'. You're right about the whole connection thing. What would be alternative to such figures anyway? This says so much about them. The thing about Elsa and Anna is that their figures are not impossible. They rely on a certain naturally attained stature, but that's not impossible. The fact they're slim is by no means bad. Besides, they're royalty, and have time to maintain (I don't mean maintain in that they are constantly working out and eating salad; they may be fairly active and eat generally quite healthily. You see the way Anna bounds around the castle) such a figure. I don't know why people are funny about them not using obese bearded ladies. No one is saying to anyone, "you have to be like them". That's ridiculous. Of course you don't. Surely Elsa teaches us to accept who you are and embrace it. This is one film where they certainly don't rely on looks alone; that’s quite a small part in relation to the rest of their characters. As you say, let's look at what is, what has been challenged. There's nothing wrong with making girls beautiful and men handsome, so long as it in line with the context, which it is.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(217,217,217);border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;"> If anything, Elsa should date Frozone :-) Now there's a match made in heaven. Why can't people accept that Elsa is her own woman, and doesn't need a man? That was another stereotype challenged. If they make a Frozen 2, then I hope that they don't put Elsa with someone; that's really not necessary. The worst idea is those who think Elsa and Hans should be a thing... What?! What film is that version of Jack Frost from anyway? People take it to the extreme with Photoshopping them together... Very superficial and a shallow minded view to take, pairing those two together like that. Here's something; have you ever seen the pictures of Anna and Kristoff with children, and then Elsa to the side? Now that's a drawing and talent that I can appreciate :-) Slightly speculative but quite nice nonetheless.