Thread:Dragonboy6491/@comment-25389622-20140907210809/@comment-25389622-20141116023425

Frozen   at two years old. Let's stick with one for now :D 

I went to edit out the indent, but when I pressed "Edit" it was all in a code form, so I didn't want to go down that route at that time in the morning.

I sure hope that no one is reading along. They'd probably get lost in the volume of the topics. Thanks :-) Sorry to hear about yours as well. My Granddad still drank even with throat cancer. Ah, the older generation... The best thing you can do for your dad is destroy his cigarettes. Don't say it was me that gave you the idea xD

I think that the word "emo" is too related to that gothic-style image to use it for someone like Elsa. Besides, calling someone emo just for being emotional or influenced by emotion is pretty generalised and there are a lot more eloquent ways to describe someone, especially Elsa. She is influenced by her emotions. How can't she be when they directly affect her powers?

It's just so dumb to say that you don't like something when it gains a huge following. They don't sound like fans at all, even when they said they did like it. I think that our reasons for our love of the film are completely founded and rational. It doesn't matter how big the following is. How does it affect you? That's what people should be asking, and not worrying about other people. I have no qualms about being part of something this big. Unlike a lot of popular things, this is one of the ones that has a good reason to be popular. It deserves all of the recognition and accolades it gets. The true fans will still recognise it in 30 years and more, and if there are still as many fans as there are now, it doesn't matter. It will be a true representation of the films impact.

It's not even speculation. It's just an alternative that has no need to be considered because it does nothing to add something positive to the film. All that it does for me is induce bad feelings, ones that have no need to exist because well,  it didn't happen like that, I have said many times now. I'm passed this sort of thing now anyway. Hans is realistic. He's not a violent killer. He would have just killed to get to his goal. I think that the idea of how violent something is is simply a matter of perception. The act he was going to commit was violent, but I'm not sure that makes him a violent killer, if you get what I mean... It's also great that he does initially come across as the hero, or at least a normal, nice, respectable person. I think that you're right about morality in that sense, but it still doesn't justify the killing of someone, or you could make that two people. Not just any people, obviously. It is great that  Frozen<span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:16.5pt;"> can utilize both fantasy and realism. Not something that you see very often, but they made a great job of it :-)

<p style="margin:0cm0cm0.0001pt;line-height:16.5pt;"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:16.5pt;">There is no light without darkness, but you forget that it takes energy to produce light; darkness requires no such effort. If the effort is not made, darkness can easily fall. Stay away from my kids 99.9% of the internet...

<p style="margin:0cm0cm0.0001pt;line-height:16.5pt;"><span style="border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">I have a summary-type understanding of meat and its detrimental effects. That perspective is simply brilliant *virtual hug* :-) Thank you for such insight. Although I wouldn't say that she is a force of nature, she certainly can influence it in either beautiful or devastating ways. A lack of understanding of such a force will always have negative effects for everyone. Let us take that and learn from it. I think that her powers are fairly "localised" when you think about the world as a whole, but it's certainly an excellent microcosm. I'm not trying to belittle her powers - they are extremely powerful after all. Even if meat was the greatest thing on Earth, I wouldn't eat just on moral grounds. The whole idea that something is born to die for our needs and can never enjoy the experience that life offers I just find to be reason in itself. It's a shame that we don't use concepts from the Native Americans and other such peoples more often; the world would be a better place. That idea of revering the animal is just beautiful, and it is furthered by how they will use every part of it in their community somewhere. Our consumer society doesn't do that, no matter how much we consume. <span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">  <span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">And yes, you're right about Quorn. It's a microfungus called Fusarium venenatum and is used in everyting meat-free. I love it; there's so much to it that makes it an excellent alternative to meat.

<p style="margin:0cm0cm0.0001pt;line-height:16.5pt;"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">  <span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:16.5pt;">Ah, well that's why you should read  New Scientist<span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:16.5pt;"> ;-) It just enthrals me, things like the comet. And yes, no matter where I am,  Frozen<span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:16.5pt;"> will be there, helping me take each step.

<p style="margin:0cm0cm0.0001pt;line-height:16.5pt;"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:16.5pt;">It's such a good book. May I ask what you found for Kristoff? The page for the book doesn't have to be huge, there'd be no point in going into it in massive detail; we might get done for copyright. That's something else that needs sorting: how books are tackled on their respective pages.

<p style="margin:0cm0cm0.0001pt;line-height:16.5pt;"><span style="border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">Here's a picture of what I mean about Rapunzel: <span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:16.5pt;">

<p style="margin:0cm0cm0.0001pt;line-height:16.5pt;"><span style="border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51L3E7TXhvL._SY300_.jpg

<p style="margin:0cm0cm0.0001pt;line-height:16.5pt;"><span style="border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">There's no way that they will look that cartoony, surely? Too much would be lost. I'm not too worried how they look against the other princesses; they aren't as special as Elsa or Anna. And Rapunzel should not have been treated in such a way either. They'll do what they see fit for commercial gain, whatever we say. Oh boy, OUAT just sounds like a bit of a car crash. It sounds as though the characters just share the same name and attire. Not really a physical resemblance, and I'm not convinced by the acting that it's in line with the original. I know it's not meant to be like the original, but with so few parallels I'm not really spurred to watch it. How many episodes and how long are they, and what percentage of screen-time does anyone from Frozen have, when they're all combined? It's not my most pressing question, though perhaps the most relevant to Frozen canon, but why did they rename Elsa's mother? <p style="margin:0cm0cm0.0001pt;line-height:16.5pt;"><span style="border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">You're going to have to excuse me if I come across a bit blunt now, but I'm going to have to be to get across what I'm saying. Fingers crossed no one is reading. I can't condone the Elsanna thing. What do mean by character studies? I may be inclined to read them if they're what the name implies - a study of their characters. I get that it's an alternate universe, but it's still inspired from Frozen. You could argue the same for aforementioned lewd graphic, unspeakable pictures. It may be a different setting, but one could easily just relate it straight back to the original characters and never have that connection broken, leaving a distorted image of what they truly stand for. I'm struggling to imagine what people are writing about. Are you a fan of fan-fiction, I mean do you read it? I would like to hear why you don't find the incestuous ones that bad. Tolerate is a bad word for describing homosexuality. I would say acceptance. You say about marrying cousins, well I would argue that that is slightly different when applied to siblings, especially sisters of this calibre. Although the main difference is how it is socially accepted, and I'm not one to care for social acceptance. Adoption may be all well and good, but couples still have sex, gay or not. There is a chance that a disabled baby could be produced. There is sterilisation, but you can't enforce that to the degree that would be required to have no disabled babies produced. I think the main reason that incest is slightly different when it comes to siblings is the idea of the family unit. It becomes all messed up when your kids start going at it with each other; with cousins there is a slight separation, so it's different in that sense, but not greatly. I think that it is slightly different for a homosexual sibling couple, because there is no chance of baby. So with that factor and the negative view of society removed, I think that would leave personal taste. I'm sorry but I'm going to have to bring in the idea of imagining a relationship of that kind with one of your own siblings. For me, I just can't think about it. You share a type of bond with siblings that doesn't even come into the idea of incest, like Elsa and Anna's. Why would people want to take such a wonderful thing and do this to it? It's probably not a case of why. They do. This is when I want to remove the whole concept of artistic expression as an excuse. If that's a reason to propagate such bizarre almost sickening concepts, it's no reason at all as far as I'm concerned. If it's how you feel, fine, you have a right to take characters and put them in such scenarios. It's a moral question from thereon, and seeing as I've rambled on for so long, I'll leave it there. You've really made me think about this... This is the first time I have thought about such a concept, so it may be slightly jumbled or not quite thought out as well as it could be. I'm happy to go on discussing it, but I'll leave it to you to decide whether here is OK. It still relates to Frozen I guess... Prize for strangest topic?

<p style="margin:0cm0cm0.0001pt;line-height:16.5pt;"><span style="border:1ptnonewindowtext;padding:0cm;font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">Yes, I look forward to Christmas, if nothing else but because of a slight mutual connection with Frozen :-)