Hello. I've cheched your edit of the "Valley of the living rock" page and I think that the information that you've put in is not correct. The path from Arrendelle to the valley doesn't go through the territory of the North mountain because the North mountain is located far west from Arrendelle as seen in the scene from Frozen 1 where Anna looked back at Arrendelle and stated that it's completely frozen.
Hi, thank you for bringing this to my attention. I do not entirely agree with your reasoning. It is hard based on that scene alone to ascertain the relative location of the North Mountain to Arendelle. If there was a map that would explicitly show the North Mountain's position or some other material that contradicted the idea of not having to pass through its territory to get to the Valley of the Living Rock, then we could revaluate the page's information. As it stands there is no contradiction between the two pieces of information that are currently on the page.
Accuarcy of the Agnarr's map is quite easy to prove from quite a few scenes in the movie (I've used the guests arrival scene and the skating ring scene from the end of the movie). It shows that the rear wall of the Arrendelle castle is facing directly south. The southern wall of the fjord on the map is a bit closer than it actually is to fit into the map. The map is also quite detailed when it comes to Arrendelle's layout which indicates that it was designed to be accurate and not artistically pleasing.
Also I've made a mistake and it's not one scene but two scenes behind each other and I was also slightly wrong about it's location.
First scene shows Arrendele with the south wall of it's castle visible which indicates that Anna and Kristoff have traveled west and a bit south from Arrendelle. Then the next scene shows Anna facing and looking at Arrendelle and then pointing almost directly behind her to the North mountain. This shows that the North mountain is located west from Arrendelle and maybe even slightly south.
I'm sorry if this is just too complicated but I just love doing these things and I also wanted to know it anyway.
I'll look into what you have said, but to back up my point I found this in Frozen II:
Sorry it's not very clear, but you can see the North Mountain, well, north of Arendelle. A slight tangent but I'm not sure why you would think it's west/south when its direction is in the name. I don't really follow your point about walls of the castle and their directions... It's easier just to see it on a map. Looking at landscapes in the film may get a bit confusing, especially when things are far away. It may even be that there are some contradictions, but we should reason from what the maps say above all.
Yeah, no need to apologise. I love this stuff too. It took me a while to work out if Arendelle was enclosed within the fjord or sits at its edge. The second film confirms the former, but there are some scenes (like the one you mention) where I would say the latter. Although in those cases there is always something concealing the other side of the fjord.
OK, I've been looking at all the maps. Based on these, I believe now that the Valley of the Living Rock is south-west of Arendelle, if anything. So perhaps it would be best to remove the citation, as you had done. It's just a bit frustrating when something is stated in what one thinks is official material only to have it contradicted somewhere else. It happens though.
Ok, now I agree with the points that you've made. I haven't seen Frozen II yet so I didn't know about the map that you've posted above. I though that the North mountain got it's name based on the direction from which people commonly looked at it like from the lowlands closer to the coast line and the open sea.
Cool. You don't need to have seen the film to understand the map. To be honest when I watched it in the cinema it was on the screen too quick to take in the details. I didn't notice the North Mountain before. I think that the name is based on its direction from Arendelle.
Good evening, my name is Crisgt, sorry for the inconvenience, but I wanted to consult any of the administrators of this wiki to know if they know anything about Frozen II. What happens is that I want to know what it says on the parchment where Elsa and Anna discovered her in the wreck of the parents in Frozen II? I would like to know that and what does that mean, if you need proof of a photo or something else, I pass it on but if you allow me to have permission to show it to you because it is a spoiler content and I don't want to get in trouble with the laws because I am asking for a Authorization to show proof of what it says on that scroll. Sorry for the inconvenience, best regards Crisgt.
Postscript: I am notified to post it on the wall, but I will write but it will not work out because the image looks less sharp (bone blurred).
Hi, apologies for the delay in replying. I don't know much about the parchment, and I am afraid I won't until I can get a closer look at the film, i.e. when it is released. You can try asking someone else, or post in the forums.
Hi, I noticed reading various pages on here that Frozen Fever is set after Olaf's Frozen Adventure even though the former came out first. Just curious, how did this come about? Because I was just under the impression everything took place in chronological order.
"Frozen takes place in July, whatever the year is - it's not important, it just serves as a reference point in relation to everything else. OFA takes place on their first Christmas back together, so just after this. FF is Anna's first birthday to be celebrated after the events of Frozen, which takes place in June on the Summer Solstice, so will be the succeeding year."
It's annoying because I just saw a video earlier where they said it was the other way round, but how can it be?
It's frustrating as well when people say they know when the film is set based on the map in Frozen Fever. Arguably that could have just been when the map was created. Either way it isn't definitive as to when the film takes place.
Also, while I did mainly buy the Cinderalla DVD for Frozen Fever (which is awesome), I did watch the movie on it too. Very interesting. I was surprised the made the Duke a villain for some reason. What do you think of the movie when you saw it back then?
I am ashamed to get pulled in by those sort of videos, but some can be quite good, such as the one where they explain the animation and how the quality has improved over the original film. It's incredible when you think how good that film looked.
Sorry, do you mean Cinderella? I went to the cinema with my sister to watch Frozen Fever, and then it was released on DVD on its own, so I got that. Nothing quite beats a HD download though ^^
Some of those videos can be good, but a lot of them are click bait, that is true. It is truly wonderous isn't it? Disney did a great job!
Yes, that's the one. For real?! Oh man, here in the states the only way I could get it was buying the live action Cindrella DVD. There might have been another DVD it was on, but I couldn't find it in stotes and I didn't want to wait for it to come in the mail. :p
Lol, that's what they want you do to. Even on the one I bought it be like: "SHOWN ALONGSIDE LIVE ACTION CINDERALLA GO SEE IT YOU COWAAAARD". Who knows, Amazon may have it...
Ah, it threw me when you said: "I was surprised the made the Duke a villain for some reason. What do you think of the movie when you saw it back then?" I supposed you must have meant Frozen. The Duke was a mere red herring, so I wouldn't call him a villain. He was more a representation of the fear that everyone had for Elsa's powers. And as to what I thought when I first saw it... My presence here stands as something of a representation as to what I thought. and still think (that is, I love it - it's best for the both of us that I drip-feed you my feelings towards it though lol). I didn't actually see it for some months, and then when I did it was because my sister bought it on DVD. I came in during "For the First Time in Forever", watched it until the end, then watched the beginning the next morning and was like .... I was hooked by it anyway, and then to see the start I almost felt bad for having missed the true context of the film. But hey, I've made up for it since then :-)
LOL! It's too bad, I rather had just had the short by itself instead. Maybe I'll see on Amazon anyway for that... Though, I was able to get Olaf's Frozen Adventure on Blu-Ray without having to buy some other movie for it at least.
LOL again! Actually, I meant the Duke in live action Cinderalla (but you said you for Frozen Fever you were able to see it without having to watch live action Cindrerlla) who they made a villain when (I think) he's a good guy in the original. That's good to hear! You already know it took me a long time to get hoojed, but now I'm here! And what true context do you mean?
I think you can too...that's actaully the one I would have preferred to get (since Anna and Elsa are on the cover). The live action Cinderalla DVD seems out of place to me in the Frozen collection. I'll keep a look out for the other one though. Thanks!
LOL! I'm sure a lot of people did (I know I would if I had been following Frozen sooner).
Oh that's right! I've seen some people saying they're apart again given Frozen 2's ending, but I disagree, because it's not like how it was before and they're still seeing each other a lot. I think we all just need to wait and see what happens next cause this seems like a double standard (looking at you Marvel. Their big movie last year dealt with two characters abandoning all of their friends to have a good time and every site praises that.).
Yeah, bin that. You don't want ol' Cinders defacing a collection as glorious as that ;D
Oh, Elsa and Anna? Yes and no I suppose. I think their relationship has gone through another change and has become more nuanced for sure. I think there is a recognition on Anna's part that she can't always be right beside Elsa, living in her pocket. Elsa's personality won't allow for that. She's a bit of a lone wolf and likes to explore. Anna leans more towards finding security in her family and caring for them. I think the relationship is more healthy/mature now: recognising that you are cut from the same cloth but that you are also different and walk different paths. However, the paths are parallel, and cross a lot. Like Elsa says to Anna: "We'll continue to do this together". Plus, Elsa's the fifth spirit now, she looks other-worldly! I am not fully aware of the duties that will involve but it's sure to take up some of her time. I was so happy for Elsa at the end of this film. She looked so free.
LOL! No, I don't since it's out of place. A pity Disney makes some things so hard to find these days do to their Disney Vault....
That's a pretty good analysis actually on their situation actually. I think they will both contiune to grow in (hopefully) future adaptions. Like you said, they cross paths a lot and I don't think they would ever seperate like that again (because that would also defeat the purpose of the franchise). I was happy for Elsa too and Anna. I hope we get too see Anna interact some more with the spirits (like she did with the earth giants at the end) in future content since like Elsa said: they are both the bridge.
Of course. I feel like both of their stories aren't all over yet by a long shot. I feel like those people need to calm down and just wait and see. The situation could change. We have no idea what's happening next.
No, they're by no means separate this time. It's just a fact of life that siblings can't live really close their whole lives. I think that would be a story worth telling for Anna. She has this new independence and responsibility that I am sure would test her character in the future. If we can see them develop and grow in some other meaningful way, then great. These characters are way more than just entities that should have our wills imposed upon them for all time. They have and need direction, otherwise the enterprise will quickly lose its value.
If there's a story worth telling that encompasses all of the elements in the way they have twice now, then I would love to see what they have.
Agreed. I'm sure they will continue to evolve and change for the better in (hopefully) future content. On that note, do you think it would be cool if Kristoff got a show on Disney+? I'm really interested in learning about the fates of his biological parents for one thing.
Same here! They can take their time of course to make sure they get it right. Though, I'm not sure what Disney can release in the future that will prove just as good and emotional as anything Frozen related. I mean, do you like their Star Wars films? I gues they've been mostly okay.
To be honest I wouldn't be crazy for such a thing. They could get a film out of that I'm sure, plus a prequel for Elsa and Anna's parents... We'll end up with a world as expansive as Star Wars eventually lol
Ha, Star Wars is a thing in of itself. I actually enjoyed the most recent film, but the eighth episode was pretty abysmal in terms of its direction, and so caused the ninth to suffer somewhat. The problem now is the films will never please the fan-base generally. So much emotion attached to it all...
Haha! I wouldn't mind that too much as long as the quality is there. So far, it seems like there's no reason to worry, thankfully.
Indeed. I like the recent film too, but I can tell this trilogy wasn't planned out from the start. The Star Wars fanbase is never happy with anything tbh. There are a lot of emotions that go into it like you said; which is why I stay clear of them. Yikes.
Have you seen Once Upon A Time? I heard Anna and Elsa were in it, but all the way in season 4.
Sadly I think it would be lacking. The two aren't necessarily negatively correlated, but often you lose quality with increasing quantity. It certainly wouldn't have the same emotional weight behind it, not in every episode anyway.
No. It was a huge mistake thinking that they could have separate directors for each film. Yeah but the thing is they're kind of right to be annoyed. The problem is that even the parts that should be commended are often overshadowed by the "errors".
Eh, no. It wouldn't be worth it. It's not the same "live-action". Plus it has no bearing on the events of the film. I think overall it re-hashes a few things and invents some others, but it has no consequence for the films. We had a big debate on here a while ago about whether we should include content from it - we decided not to.
That can be true.When you have so many of one thing it often leads to a gigantic mess *cough*Endgame*cough* LOL! But yes, they should only move foward if they have more worthy stories to tell because it would be a huge mistake to turn Frozen into a gimmick like Marvel is right now.
Indeed. The lack of a clear vision was obvious. That is true, but you know what they: no one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
Oh really? Thank you for informing me of this. So it's not even a live action remake in that way?
Lol don't worry about it! It's just me complaining mostly. It's what I do. :p After being heckled by the Marvel sheep last year, it's nice to to talk to someone who doesn't think the franchise is the second coming (I may have at one point, but that time is over) after all.
I think that Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck (and Del Vecho) have a lot of say in this, and the higher-ups seem to respect their decisions when it comes to this creation and what is best for it. So we can rely on them to see to it that Frozen doesn't just become another gimmick.
Lol, that certainly appears to be the case. The Star Wars side of YouTube is intense... Always lots of (constructive(?)) dialogue in the community.
Like I say, it's a remake as far as incorporates elements from the film, but it also creates its own material, like Kristoff and Anna's wedding. I also believe it all goes some way to fit the mould of the OUAT universe too. But I'm out of my element here - I've never watched it. They were not getting to me by using Frozen in the fourth series!
Cool. Had a bit of a delay again as I was away. Yes, it's nice to talk to you :-)
That's good to hear. I have the up most respect for Jen and Buck and I'm glad they both don't seem to have the "it's all about me" attitude a lot of creators/directors have. Besides, if all they cared about was money we would have had at least 5 movies and 20 shorts by now. Lol
Oh yeah. Ever had the misfortune of seeing Geeks+Gamers pop up for you? I got so sick of seeing his videos show up for me last year. I guess sometimes they do. Lol
I see! I don't really watch TV anymore, so I don't want to jump into another show unless I know it's worth it. And waiting four seasons to get Frozen stuff is a lot. Who knows, maybe one day Disney will make a live action Frozen movie.
And it's good to talk to you as well! I promise I don't always complain. ;p
Also, I'm sure you heard, but the Academy didn't give one of those little golden statues for the one award they nominated Frozen 2 for.
Haha, I think I have heard of it but I never had the “pleasure” of seeing it. YouTube’s enough of a maelstrom without that. So much there to suck you in, especially when it recommends things it thinks out will like.
Me neither. Yeah, that’s the issue, and then when you do get to the fourth season you’ll probably be disappointed, as it won’t be the same. I hope to the powers that be that they never do that. The whole thing with live-action remakes is a con to play on nostalgia. Animation is an awesome form of storytelling. That’s the point: you’re conveying messages in a certain way, and the lack of resemblance to the real world shapes the story, even enhancing it. It’s one of the reasons why if you read Frozen purely as a book you would lose something. The same goes for live-action, and why Once Upon A Time can’t capture Frozen’s original purity.
Lol, don’t worry. Whatever you need to get off your chest!
Haha! And to complete the gimmick; numerous statements from them hyping up their stuff that never delivers (like Marvel's CEO does all the time lol).
You are lucky then! He's trash. Just saying what people want to hear for money much sums him up. Uh, yeah! I think the recommendations section is really flawed and motivated by what's bringing them in the most revenue. Like last year, they kept giving me Endgame videos in it when I hadn't been watching anything remotely related to it.
That's exactly it. I don't want to watch all that stuff and get to what I came for and it not be all that great. Plus, I heard they made characters like Peter Pan into a evil tyrant or something on it. That's really bizarre to me. Hmmm. That's true. You would lose something because there might be some changes that would lessen the story. You know, I do know Frozen was loosely based off an old novel, but I've never read it. I do know the character Elsa is based off of is villain in the book (and that Elsa was originally going to be a villain in the actual movie, but thankfully that didn't happen). Have you read it? I think it's called The Snow Queen.
Well, thanks! Really appreciate it! And if you ever need to tell me anything, then rant away. ;p
It makes you fearful to watch some videos... Who knows what you will get afterwards? When my friends watch videos on my account the suggestion page has a meltdown!
Making Peter Pan evil? It sounds like it completely loses any grounding from the original tales (that’s not to say Disney hasn’t done so from the actual originals…). I guess that’s one of the points of the series, but I don’t buy it. And I don’t buy live-action Anna and Elsa. Their essence is lost by that point. Yes, the changes that are made relate to the animation, the medium through which the story is told and affects the way you perceive the whole story.
Yeah, I know the back-story to the creation of Frozen. The Snow Queen was the inspiration and there are some nice parallels between it and the film. But you’re right, once Elsa was no longer the villain the story completely changed its trajectory and took on a whole other meaning. I don’t think it’s a novel, just one of Hans Christian Andersen’s longest fairy tales. I’m sure you could find a nice copy, normally in a volume with his other stories.
That's the truth! Most of the time, I just search for stuff on the web to bypass the main YouTube page completely. I don't even log-in to YouTube and I still get all kinds of junk in the suggestions!
Ikr? Sounds really dumb imo. I think there are more heroic characters turned evil and vice-versa, but all of that just sounds crazy like you said. Again, it's not worth-it to sit through four seasons for something that won't live up to the original. That is definitely true. It's just not the same. And then there's bringing any new writers that could portray the characters much differently (changing the story even more!).
I should try and read that sometime to spot the parallels then (would you say the story is good?). I'm glad they did change because I don't think I would like evil! Elsa very much (and we got a much better and moving story with the change too). Okay, I'll look soon! Thanks!
Good idea. It’s a struggle even now to go on the YouTube homepage and not have your attention hijacked by the suggested videos.
Yeah, just forget it lol. Speaking of different writers, did you hear anything about Jennifer Lee saying that Olaf’s Frozen Adventure isn’t “canon”? Sounds bizarre; maybe she was just salty for not having worked on it. I can understand if it was full of contradictions but it isn’t. It builds on what existed, and to great effect.
Yeah, I plan to read it too. That would be a good exercise: read it first and then look up the parallels and then see how many you got! I think it’s a good story from what I’ve heard. Here, how about we both go off and read it, then discuss this further? I have a few parts I like, but I don’t know the whole thing, especially the Snow Queen’s role. But I believe the queen in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe is based on her, and I’ve seen the film (god, what a poor excuse…). Oh, definitely. So much more nuance and structure were added to the story through having her in her final form. Thank goodness. And she’s loved so much because of it!
Agreed. I hardly ever read comments either. I find most of them to be trash and immature (with many of them often completely and predictably missing the point of the content of the videos.) I cannot even hazard a guess as to what Frozen related video comments entail (I guess shipping as that is what comes to mind).
Lol, is Jen serious? Um, I thought she and Buck were busy with other projects and gave their full approval for the other people that worked on it? This sounds like utter nonsense on her part. It does do that. It's so heartwarming and emotional and I love "When We're Together". So many feels! I think Jen should just watch the hubris and not say foolish things like that. I mean really, why did she sign off on it if she's going to be salty about it?
Sounds like a great idea! I better go check the library then! Woah, I had no idea the White Witch from Narina was based off of the Snow Queen. Very interesting! Lol, I watched that years ago, but I don't remember too much about it. What did you not like about it? Agreed! I think that's another reason why Frozen is so unique and special is because its about two sisters getting close again rather than a "heroic prince saves the day" (which they teased with Hans) kind of story.
Hi. I can ask you a question. You are from United States? Well, I wanted to ask you a favor regarding the Frozen 2 movie that will come out first in the United States. If you are, I would like the premiere day to make a live from some cinema.
I'll give this a try...
I am fairly confident of the following, for reasons I can explain if you wish.
The order is:
Olaf's Frozen Adventure
Frozen takes place in July, whatever the year is - it's not important, it just serves as a reference point in relation to everything else. OFA takes place on their first Christmas back together, so just after this. FF is Anna's first birthday to be celebrated after the events of Frozen, which takes place in June on the Summer Solstice, so will be the succeeding year.
I cannot say with any confidence when Frozen: Northern Lights takes place because (a) I have not seen it fully and (b) from what I have seen it just seems like a post-Frozen light-hearted series, the timing of the events having no real bearing or consequences for the films and shorts. The same goes for any of the books, such as the Journey to the Northern Lights series.
As for OUAT, this is not canon and does not take place on the same timeline, hence the lack of content concerning it on this Wiki.
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Hi Humphry02, I read that I needed to contact an administrator to delete threads that I posted, so I was wondering if you would delete my thread for me: https://frozen.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:19162. I re-posted the topic of this thread as a blog and I feel that also keeping it as a thread would be a bit disorganized. In addition, I do not wish to continue conversations about the topic on the thread, and there are other threads on this site that are highly related to the topic of the thread that I wish to delete. Thanks!
Hi Humphry02, I'm Ember, the other User who posted on that Thread. RainforestWolf and I reached an agreement regarding the Thread and I would also like it be deleted as it gives us both a bit of anxiety mutually. So can you please delete it, if it's okay without waiting for a response from Heimr first?
If you're concerned about a record of it being on the Wiki, I actually copied and pasted it here as well, so there is an exact copy that can be located elsewhere here.
Also, this is unrelated to the Thread, but I also made two edits to the Olaf page regarding the format, which you can see here. It was appearing oddly on my side, but you may want to look it over to ensure it's something you guy's like/are okay with anyway.
Actually, I just checked and it looks normal now! Thanks for fixing it! :D
Also, just so you know, RainforestWolf and I are working together on the page under my Username right now (User:Fangirl111/GiveElsaAGirlfriend Thoughts), so it's not an exact copy of the Thread anymore, but my replies are still exact copies. A Google search can find the petition if all the words are the exact same, so RainforestWolf wanted to edit the paragraphs around a bit, if it's okay with you guys? :)
By the way, regarding pictures, I can understand the edits you have made, but I don't see the point of creating a summary for each screenshot like Dragonboy used to do. Plus it's something that's time-consuming and will most likely go unappreciated.
Hey. I'm not too sure how it was coloured like that; I think it is since I became an administrator, and that must be the default or something. I haven't really looked into it but I'll try to at some point.