Can you please comment the code to split segments with known purpose using obvious separators?
Something like this:
// START Randomize wiki logo
// END Randomize wiki logo
Also at the top of each file, there should be a list of these named blocks of code so that you can search for them and quickly get to their start and end. This of course also means that that exact wording should not appear anywhere else in the code as part of a comment (looking at "Different colors for admins").
I think that it would really avoid future difficulties, especially regarding the infobox styling where the end is not obvious at all other than that it's the last script, which is also what brought me to this problem.
Thanks. The navigation works as I would expect but we are still missing the list on top (so that you can copy the block name and find it with Ctrl+F or something like that).
I'll try to think about some rules. Two think that come to mind is switching to only "structured" and "line" CSS syntax (for organisation) and having a prefix for our JS variables and functions (this is to avoid possible conflicts with other imported code as it's all ran in sequence after all).
FRWK_ comes to mind as a good prefix as it kind of stands for "Frozen Wiki".
I was not talking about a navigation bar but something at the top of the file that describes it's content and organisation.
Something like this.
/* Code in this CSS file is split into independent blocks based on it's functionality. Start and end of each block is labeled with START and END tags followed by the name of the block.
User Profile Styling
Different colors for admins
Styling of portable infoboxes
I was trying to point out the time when the edit was made. I just found it really interesting. Maybe I was feeling bad about it at that time because that was technically my stuff being done. Just don't know the reason anymore.
Also I think that "Different colors for admins" should be a single block with this prefix removed from everything in it as we know the purpose of that code quite well (thanks to excellent comments).
I think Ahtohallan is alive. I mean it is refeered to as "her". According to the Lullaby it "sings to those who'll hear." and it "sang" to Elsa using a memory of her mother. So it must have selected it for Elsa. Then in Ahtohallan it edited some "footage" to tell Elsa "You are found."
Also, In Iduna's notes on the scroll Elsa and Anna find she describes Ahtohallan as Magic's source/Elsa's source. ANd since Agnar said the spirits came from a magic "as old as the glaciers" that means Ahtohallan created the spirits (including Elsa)
Right. Ships may also be referred to using female pronouns, and obviously they are not alive. Same goes for "Mother Nature" - although that can be considered more "alive" than a ship. So perhaps it is alive in the same way that Mother Nature is, but we do not know this for sure.
Yes, the memory of her mother was selected by Ahtohallan to show to Elsa. Though I wouldn't say that the memory has been changed in any meaningful way. Iduna repeats the line to Elsa from the lullaby. The next line obviously isn't said by her, but the two are singing and so it is best not to take the scene too literally - the line serves more as exposition within the song.
I understand that as Ahtohallan being the source of Elsa's magic. It does not have to be alive for this to be the case. But then again the magic is so mysterious that it may be a bit premature to posit this. When does Agnarr say about glaciers? Besides that, just because the spirits are "as old as glaciers" does not mean that they were created by Ahtohallan itself. It may just mean that they came into existence at around the same time.
To answer the rest of your questions: No, it cannot be added to the trivia section, because it is far too conjectural. Review what you have said to see what I mean. It's fair enough on your part to take these facts and try and draw conclusions from them, but for something to be added to a page, the fact must be definitive, in that it happened and we may cite a source. So to say in the trivia, "Ahtohallan is considered alive", one must have a credible source to back this up. Although at that point I think it would be worth integrating into the main page.
This user created a page named "Olav" which has nothing to do with Frozen. I can't do much about him other than marking the page and file for deletion, which is what I did. He also added "Olav" as Elsa's ally but I undid that.
As this is really not much, I'll just try to talk to him and give a warning but please remove the page and it's picture.
You're an integral part of this community, so feel free to warn people if you see any malfeasance. It is also the duty of community members as well as admins - plus you are a rollback. Obviously it's an admin who can take action, but anyone can tell their peers when they are acting out of line.
I have added things to trivia in the past, so I just wanted to run this information by you before I decide to "publish it" in the trivia on Anna's page. Maybe include a "pre-birth" section saying that Nature appointed her half the fifth spirit with Elsa?
In the Frozen 2 Podcast Jennifer Lee says that the relationship between Anna and Elsa make them BOTH the fifth spirit. So I guess that while Elsa is the "official" fifth spirit it is her relationship to Anna that connects the forest and Arendelle.
Having said that, and based on Elsa's statement about their mother having two daughters (Anna was also born on the summer solctice as Elsa was born on the Winter which would indicate significance), I belive that "nature" intended for both sisters to be born, Elsa was given her powers to quell the spirits and discover the truth in Ahtohallan, Anna to be queen afterwards. Thats also why Elsa froze in Ahtohallan and Anna freed the forest (otherwise if Elsa was the full fifth spirit then she would have just done it all herself). What do you think?
The first three paragraphs of mine respond directly to yours.
There is no point mentioning anything about Anna as being "half the fifth spirit", because that is not true. Elsa is the Fifth Spirit. While we are on the subject, I think it is best to remove the pre-birth section from Elsa's page too. The page is written in the form of events relevant to her, from her perspective. So, inherently, things that happened before her birth do not need to be included unless they have a direct effect in her timeline post-birth. We find out, along with Elsa, that her mother's good deed was rewarded with Elsa becoming the Fifth Spirit later in the article.
I do not recall her ever saying that in the podcast. May you send me the time at which she says this, rather than just the link you have provided? It still stands that, in the film, only Elsa becomes the Fifth Spirit.
How do there births have anything to do with what you are saying? I see no tangible connection except that the solstices are two extremes of the day/night cycle. Though what this has to do with being two sides of a bridge I am not entirely sure. You say "Elsa was given her powers to quell the spirits and discover the truth in Ahtohallan", but I thought she was given them because of her mother's actions?
What you say is delving into the realms of conjecture, something which we under no circumstances include in articles.
My advice is that you take a look at our policy guidelines, in particular the MoS , and take into consideration the edits you have made so far and the reasons why they have had to be changed. Because, frankly, if you were to add what you are saying into Anna's page I (or someone else) would be inclined to remove it.
Your efforts are appreciated but you must really consider why we have the trivia section, and what should really be put in it. For example, there is no point talking about how many times Anna saved Elsa or vice-versa; it is covered in the main text, and the trivia section is not there to act as a summary of points in the main article. It is there to inform readers of facts that cannot be derived from the article itself, and don't have a particular place to be situated within the article.
4:24-Jennifer Lee Inside Frozen 2 podcast-the end we did know-Anna would become queen at the end, shesi a queen of the people, because she’s selfless and does what right thing for her people no matter what. While Elsa too would do anything for Arendellle she had a higher calling-4:47
5:00-She says Elsa is the fifth spirit but it subtly says that the fifth spirit is the bridge and a bridge has two sides, so, to Jennifer, Elsa AND Anna are both the fifth spirit because its their sister hood that connects them-5:22
First things first I'm really sorry about letting things go this far. I didn't mean to make you question things before adding them in nor did I want to make you promise anything. I was just trying to remove speculations.
Now to the quotes.
Elsa is also selfless and does right things when required. Just in her own way.
First quote could be considered a speculation because we don't know Elsa's reasoning. Most obvious one is that Elsa had to fulfill her responsibilities towards the forest and couldn't be the queen anymore.
In the second quote, it's just Jennifer's opinion and not something that's known about the movie. In other words, it's not from an official source.
But Jennifer is one of the directors. So isnt her word basically god? If you listen to the podcast (starting at 5 minutes we hear her reasoning. Remember, the fifth spirit is the bridge between humanity and nature and Elsa herself says Anna is part of the bridge.
While I would be happy to say that both the queen of Arendelle and the fifth spirit create the bridge (of course the Northundra would focus more on the fifth spirit being the bridge) Jennifer Lee said they are both the fifth spirit. so they both get the title.
She added "in my own mind" or something like that. Jennifer is certainly not the only creative director so not everything she says about the movie is true. We don't know for sure so we don't want it on the wiki. It's that simple.
As an encyclopedia, all information present must be verifiable by a reliable source. As such, speculative remarks may not be added to any article. If there is a likelihood that a presented point may be disputed, a citation must be added.
Ok, that is a fair point. Thank you. I like the idea of Elsa having a title that she doesnt have to share with Anna (who already has the title queen now). I like the idea of the bridge being the fifth spirit and the queen. Thank you.
Yeah, you seem to get it. I will just say this (sorry for being late back into to the discussion!).
Another example which seems pertinent here is about whether the prologue of the second film is on the same night as the accident. We cannot definitively say it was, so we do not explicitly include such information in articles. The only evidence we have for this also comes from the podcast with Jennifer Lee. It is important to remember that she may be a director and story writer for the films, but that does not automatically mean that what she says is canon. She is able to speculate or prefer to think a certain way about things along with the rest of us.
The only other thing that troubles me is your corollary that they are both the Fifth Spirit, leading on from them being “two sides of a bridge”. These are more Elsa’s words to Anna than anything else, the affirmation to her sister that they will continue doing things together; and while she is correct, this does not mean that Anna also shares the title.
That guy recetly repyling to Dragonboy reminded me that this si quite important for new users trying to contact an administrator.
You changed status of Dragonboy and Heimr on the administrators page to show that they are inactive and that people shouldn't contact them but I think that you should do the same in other places as well.
Main header still shows Dragonboy and Heimr as administrators. Because this part of UI should be used by people looking to contact one, I think that it should only show you.
Right, thank you for highlighting all of this. I have taken corrective action in the places you have described. The one problem is that I cannot see how to remove Heimr from the Community page.
Where should my name be a different colour? Do you mean in general to highlight my position? I removed some code from the CSS pertaining to this as I did not think it was working properly, with a mind to go and look into it a bit further in future.
I got the name highlighting code. It's just a fix for these three places. Nothing organised as it should be.
/* Different colors for admins -- RecentChanges, WikiActivity, forum replies, top contributors*/
/*This is just a quick patch and it's functionality should be integrated better.*/
table.mw-enhanced-rc td a[href="/wiki/User:Humphry02"],
My honest opinion is that that whole code in wikia.css which controls colors of admin names should go out of the window and be rewritten from scratch with all of it's functionality.
When you add a new admin, you will have to copy the top of the style (what's above the brackets) and change the hrefs to point to right places. Don't forget to add in the comma to the end on the line. Alternatively you can just copy the whole thing and change the admin name.
What I made only includes what was missing. The comment is supposed to serve as a reminder in the future.
Whoops, it seems were having two slightly different conversations...
I was under the impression what you were working on (and added) includes what I removed. If it does not, I can add some lines back in. Then again if the upside is that you have more freedom to work now then I will leave it as is.